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		<title>By: when missional gets unmissional &#171; Exploring College Ministry blog (daily notes about our field)</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-29811</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 07:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] [See several comments from the original post here] [Add new comments here] Share this:StumbleUponDiggRedditLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post.      Welcome to Exploring College Ministry After ministering to college students for 8 years, my calling moved to advancing the entire field of College Ministry in every way I can. So I&#039;ve spent the last 5 years exploring it very broadly (including a yearlong road trip), publishing a free book (Reaching the Campus Tribes), speaking, consulting, writing, and working on other projects - all to serve college ministers! To learn more, explore the header links or the tools below. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [See several comments from the original post here] [Add new comments here] Share this:StumbleUponDiggRedditLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post.      Welcome to Exploring College Ministry After ministering to college students for 8 years, my calling moved to advancing the entire field of College Ministry in every way I can. So I&#039;ve spent the last 5 years exploring it very broadly (including a yearlong road trip), publishing a free book (Reaching the Campus Tribes), speaking, consulting, writing, and working on other projects &#8211; all to serve college ministers! To learn more, explore the header links or the tools below. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: poles #2: integration vs. incubation &#171; Exploring College Ministry blog (daily notes about our field)</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2376</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you want more on this, I encourage you to read &#8220;The Surprisingly Unmissional Approach to College Ministry.&#8221; The comments on that post really illustrated these issues &#8211; and struggling with the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you want more on this, I encourage you to read &#8220;The Surprisingly Unmissional Approach to College Ministry.&#8221; The comments on that post really illustrated these issues &#8211; and struggling with the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ministry reading &#171; symbiosis</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2297</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ministry reading &#171; symbiosis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hines&#8217; The Surprisingly Unmissional Approach to College Ministry reinforces why we need campus based ministry, and why it&#8217;s not the same as getting students [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hines&#8217; The Surprisingly Unmissional Approach to College Ministry reinforces why we need campus based ministry, and why it&#8217;s not the same as getting students [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benson Hines</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benson Hines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks so much for sharing that, Suzanne! I certainly don&#039;t claim to know much about college ministry outside the States, so it&#039;s good to learn more. But I&#039;m sorry if churches there aren&#039;t seeing the strategic and discipleship importance of reaching the &quot;campus tribes&quot;!

Thanks for working to help that change!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for sharing that, Suzanne! I certainly don&#8217;t claim to know much about college ministry outside the States, so it&#8217;s good to learn more. But I&#8217;m sorry if churches there aren&#8217;t seeing the strategic and discipleship importance of reaching the &#8220;campus tribes&#8221;!</p>
<p>Thanks for working to help that change!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Spolarich</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzanne Spolarich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a missionary to university students in France. I have been here since 1995. For my recent MTh thesis, I developed a church-based model. As you found in the USA, Benson, here in France there are various models, campus-based, parachurch, denominational, but the church-based model is yet to be adopted. Therefore, the local church is not concerned at all with reaching university students as a &quot;tribe.&quot;

The local church has no approach to reaching the university world. The church, especially in large university centers, has to be sensitized to the mission field of the university. This is what I am working at doing through teaching, modeling, casting vision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a missionary to university students in France. I have been here since 1995. For my recent MTh thesis, I developed a church-based model. As you found in the USA, Benson, here in France there are various models, campus-based, parachurch, denominational, but the church-based model is yet to be adopted. Therefore, the local church is not concerned at all with reaching university students as a &#8220;tribe.&#8221;</p>
<p>The local church has no approach to reaching the university world. The church, especially in large university centers, has to be sensitized to the mission field of the university. This is what I am working at doing through teaching, modeling, casting vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Timotheos</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timotheos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I lead a local church based college ministry.  Our approach is simple, but requires a lot of relational work.  People in the church are involved in mentoring, or gathering a few together as &quot;disciples&quot; in the same fashion as Jesus did.  The intention is to bring students to spiritual maturity, and equip them to form their own groups and mentor students themselves.  This has the advantage of students moving in both worlds of the church and the campus.  

Historically, we know that this model was practiced by the Apostle John who gathered a group of disciples of which Polycarp was a part (Bishop of Smyrna and an early martyr of the the faith).  Polycarp formed a group of disciples of whom Irenaeus was a part (a huge figure in the early church whose theological impact is still felt today).  Irenaeus formed a group of whom Hippolytus was a part (another Big Dog in the early church).  And on it goes...

This is a rhythm of gathering and sending.  Getting into this groove is what it is all about for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lead a local church based college ministry.  Our approach is simple, but requires a lot of relational work.  People in the church are involved in mentoring, or gathering a few together as &#8220;disciples&#8221; in the same fashion as Jesus did.  The intention is to bring students to spiritual maturity, and equip them to form their own groups and mentor students themselves.  This has the advantage of students moving in both worlds of the church and the campus.  </p>
<p>Historically, we know that this model was practiced by the Apostle John who gathered a group of disciples of which Polycarp was a part (Bishop of Smyrna and an early martyr of the the faith).  Polycarp formed a group of disciples of whom Irenaeus was a part (a huge figure in the early church whose theological impact is still felt today).  Irenaeus formed a group of whom Hippolytus was a part (another Big Dog in the early church).  And on it goes&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a rhythm of gathering and sending.  Getting into this groove is what it is all about for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Benson Hines</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2031</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benson Hines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy and Julie, thanks for your good words. I think you&#039;re absolutely right about the need to connect students into that real world experience and to adults (and, lest we forget, little kids as well).

And that&#039;s just it - the way you guys (clearly) are approaching it is to apply that much-needed discipleship area to college students, on purpose and with purpose. It&#039;s when churches act like students are already &quot;transitioned,&quot; as though the world they&#039;re in doesn&#039;t need to be considered a &quot;Point A&quot; that comes before the &quot;Point B&quot; (or by that time, maybe Point C or D) of the Real World - that&#039;s when I&#039;m concerned.

(And to the original point, students also miss all the Point A Mission that is available.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy and Julie, thanks for your good words. I think you&#8217;re absolutely right about the need to connect students into that real world experience and to adults (and, lest we forget, little kids as well).</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just it &#8211; the way you guys (clearly) are approaching it is to apply that much-needed discipleship area to college students, on purpose and with purpose. It&#8217;s when churches act like students are already &#8220;transitioned,&#8221; as though the world they&#8217;re in doesn&#8217;t need to be considered a &#8220;Point A&#8221; that comes before the &#8220;Point B&#8221; (or by that time, maybe Point C or D) of the Real World &#8211; that&#8217;s when I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
<p>(And to the original point, students also miss all the Point A Mission that is available.)</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Evans</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve found that a mix of the two worlds has to be considered.  A few of my students who live in the dorms have found a real longing for community in families and friends outside of the university world.  It seems that as much as the university setting tends to be a &quot;liminal&quot; state where &quot;communitas&quot; can be experienced among peers, there&#039;s a desire and a reality that students know exists - out in the &quot;real world.&quot;  Somehow, to reach the campus there needs to be an identity, but at the same time, to reach a community, a city, where they will be forced out into upon graduation, there needs to be a sense of real world living too.  There definitely exists a tension between the two. (Liminality and communitas are discussed in detail in the book Exiles by Michael Frost.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found that a mix of the two worlds has to be considered.  A few of my students who live in the dorms have found a real longing for community in families and friends outside of the university world.  It seems that as much as the university setting tends to be a &#8220;liminal&#8221; state where &#8220;communitas&#8221; can be experienced among peers, there&#8217;s a desire and a reality that students know exists &#8211; out in the &#8220;real world.&#8221;  Somehow, to reach the campus there needs to be an identity, but at the same time, to reach a community, a city, where they will be forced out into upon graduation, there needs to be a sense of real world living too.  There definitely exists a tension between the two. (Liminality and communitas are discussed in detail in the book Exiles by Michael Frost.)</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Chmieleski</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Chmieleski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Benson, thanks for getting the conversation started...

Having worked on campuses for the past 12 years, I have seen the growing significance in partnering with the local church... and seeing our work as intimately inter-connected.

Ministry on campus provides, among other things, a constant presence, high level of accessibility and frequent convenient ways for students to worship, gather in intentional Christian community and serve the campus and local community.  

From day one, however, we are telling our students that they must take the initiative to find a new &quot;church home away from home&quot; because what we offer on campus is meant to be &quot;above and beyond&quot; what they receive (and give) in the local church context.

Ultimately, I believe that local church leaders and campus ministers need to grow in their awareness of, and relationship to, one another so that we can see each other as members of the same team and not in competition with each other.

It takes time, yes, but our approach to reaching college students during these incredibly formative years of their life can and should be much more intentionally connected between the local church and the para-churches that all desire the same end goal...

to see college students become the men and women of God that He desires them to be and to be equipped to use the talents, gifts and passions that He has uniquely created them with to go out and meet the needs of a hurting world!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benson, thanks for getting the conversation started&#8230;</p>
<p>Having worked on campuses for the past 12 years, I have seen the growing significance in partnering with the local church&#8230; and seeing our work as intimately inter-connected.</p>
<p>Ministry on campus provides, among other things, a constant presence, high level of accessibility and frequent convenient ways for students to worship, gather in intentional Christian community and serve the campus and local community.  </p>
<p>From day one, however, we are telling our students that they must take the initiative to find a new &#8220;church home away from home&#8221; because what we offer on campus is meant to be &#8220;above and beyond&#8221; what they receive (and give) in the local church context.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I believe that local church leaders and campus ministers need to grow in their awareness of, and relationship to, one another so that we can see each other as members of the same team and not in competition with each other.</p>
<p>It takes time, yes, but our approach to reaching college students during these incredibly formative years of their life can and should be much more intentionally connected between the local church and the para-churches that all desire the same end goal&#8230;</p>
<p>to see college students become the men and women of God that He desires them to be and to be equipped to use the talents, gifts and passions that He has uniquely created them with to go out and meet the needs of a hurting world!</p>
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		<title>By: Integration vs. Mission &#124; Exploring College Ministry &#171; Ethereal Thought Train</title>
		<link>http://exploringcollegeministry.com/2009/06/30/the-surprisingly-unmissional-approach-to-college-ministry/#comment-2027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Integration vs. Mission &#124; Exploring College Ministry &#171; Ethereal Thought Train]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Benson Hines has a great discussion about integration of college ministry relative to mission here. [...]]]></description>
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